Monday, May 6, 2024

Are we in the Last Days - As Peter seems to say when quoting the prophet Joel

The phrase "Last Days" means different things to different people.

Scripture uses the term in such a way, 
that it would be fair to say 
that we are already in "the Last Days",
and that those Days will climax 
with the return of the Lord Jesus Christ to rule and reign.
Along with the Resurrection 
of those asleep 
and the transformation of those believers living 
when Christ returns.
See I Cor. 15 and I Thess. 4

Peter ( Acts 2 ) 
clearly connects the passage in Joel 
with the gift of the Holy Spirit 
that was given to the believers 
on the day of Pentecost.

Joel is talking about both the time of tribulation 
and the kingdom that the Lord is going to set up.

There is a focus on the children of Israel, 
since that was the audience Joel was addressing.

Reading through chapter 2, 
it seems to be referencing 
the time leading up to the tribulation period,
AND
the restorage of Israel after the Lord 
returns to rule and reign on earth.

As to the separate issue of 
if the gifts of the Holy Spirit are to END 
before the Tribulation period,
and then "come back" specifically during that time period,
I do not "SEE" that in the words Paul wrote ( I Cor. 13 ).
He talks about "prophecies", "tongues", and "knowledge" 
failing, ceasing, or vanishing.

I know how this passage has been used 
( taught for many years by many teachers ) 
to reference the completed Bible 
( including the New Testament ).
Soon after the time of the apostles.

I have a hard time believing that is 
the "perfect" which is to come, 
that Paul was referencing.
He refers to a clear "seeing" - similar to face to face,
And a full "knowing".
The return of Christ, and our transfiguration 
to our spiritual bodies would "fit" better.
That is when we will see and know the things 
we currently only see / know dimly.

BOTH are "theories" or "interpretations",
as the EXACT meaning is not specifically "spelled out" in this 
or any other passage.
It would be a mistake to use these passages 
as "evidence" of a pre-tribulation rapture.

* I Cor. 13:8-10
Love never fails. 
But whether there are prophecies, 
they will fail; whether there are tongues, 
they will cease; whether there is knowledge, 
it will vanish away. 
For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 
10 But when that which is perfect has come, 
then that which is in part will be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, 
I understood as a child, I thought as a child; 
but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 
12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, 
but then face to face. 
Now I know in part, 
but then I shall know just 
as I also am known.


And here are key passages about the "Last Days" from the New Testament 
and Joel chapter 2.
I don't see a clear "division" of the "last days" 
referring to only the time of the great tribulation.
And again, 
the book of Joel seems to cover the period 
when the restoration is to occur, 
AS WELL as the Day of the Lord 
( and the time leading up to it ).
Several passages would only apply to 
when the Lord returns 
and sets up His kingdom on Earth.

Below are some passages 
I found relevant to the topic of 
the Last Days and the Holy Spirit.

1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors 
through the prophets 
at many times 
and in various ways,
2 but in these last days 
he has spoken to us by his Son, 
whom he appointed heir of all things, 
and through whom also he made the universe.

3 Above all, 
you must understand that in the last days 
scoffers will come,
 scoffing 
and following their own evil desires.
4 They will say, 
"Where is this 'coming' 
he promised?
 Ever since our ancestors died, 
everything goes on as it has 
since the beginning of creation."

1 The Spirit clearly says 
that in later times 
some will abandon the faith 
and follow deceiving spirits 
and things taught by demons.
2 Such teachings come through 
hypocritical liars, 
whose consciences have been seared 
as with a hot iron.
3 They forbid people to marry 
and order them to abstain 
from certain foods, 
which God created to be received 
with thanksgiving 
by those who believe 
and who know the truth.

1 But mark this: 
There will be terrible times in the last days.
2 People will be lovers of themselves, 
lovers of money, 
boastful, proud, abusive, 
disobedient to their parents, 
ungrateful, unholy,
3 without love, unforgiving, 
slanderous, without self-control, 
brutal, not lovers of the good,
4 treacherous, rash, 
conceited, lovers of pleasure 
rather than lovers of God—
5 having a form of godliness 
but denying its power. 
Have nothing to do with such people.

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, 

raised his voice and said to them, 

"Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, 

let this be known to you, and heed my words. 

15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, 

since it is only the third hour of the day. 

16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

17 'And it shall come to pass in the last days

says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants 

and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming 

of the great and awesome 

day of the Lord.
21 And it shall come to pass
That whoever 

calls on the name of the Lord
Shall be saved.'


For a fuller Context, 

we should read all of the book of Joel.

But for now, let me just add the following,


Joel 2 
2:1 Blow the trumpet in Zion,
And sound an alarm in My holy mountain!
Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble;
For the day of the Lord is coming,
For it is at hand:
**

2:18-32

Then the Lord will be zealous 

for His land,
And pity His people.
19 The Lord will answer 

and say to His people,
"Behold, I will send you grain 

and new wine and oil,
And you will be satisfied by them;
I will no longer make you a reproach 

among the nations.

20 "But I will remove far from you 

the northern army,
And will drive him away 

into a barren and desolate land,
With his face 

toward the eastern sea
And his back 

toward the western sea;
His stench will come up,
And his foul odor will rise,
Because he has done monstrous things."

21 Fear not, O land;
Be glad and rejoice,
For the Lord has done 

marvelous things!
22 Do not be afraid, 

you beasts of the field;
For the open pastures 

are springing up,
And the tree bears its fruit;
The fig tree 

and the vine 

yield their strength.
23 Be glad then, 

you children of Zion,
And rejoice 

in the Lord your God;
For He has given you 

the former rain faithfully,
And He will cause the rain 

to come down for you—
The former rain,
And the latter rain 

in the first month.
24 The threshing floors 

shall be full of wheat,
And the vats shall overflow 

with new wine and oil.

25 "So I will restore to you the years 

that the swarming locust has eaten,
The crawling locust,
The consuming locust,
And the chewing locust,
My great army 

which I sent among you.
26 You shall eat in plenty 

and be satisfied,
And praise the name 

of the Lord your God,
Who has dealt wondrously with you;
And My people 

shall never be put to shame.
27 Then you shall know that 

am in the midst of Israel:
am the Lord your God
And there is no other.
My people 

shall never be put to shame.

God's Spirit Poured Out

28 "And it shall come to pass 

afterward
That I will pour out My Spirit 

on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters 

shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream 

dreams,
Your young men shall see visions.
29 And also on My menservants 

and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit 

in those days.

30 "And I will show wonders 

in the heavens and in the earth:
Blood and fire 

and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned 

into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome 

day of the Lord.
32 And it shall come to pass
That whoever 

calls on the name of the Lord
Shall be saved.

For in Mount Zion 

and in Jerusalem 

there shall be deliverance,
As the Lord has said,
Among the remnant 

whom the Lord calls.


AMEN!

--

Saved by Grace,
Andrew Cross

"Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. 
And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, 
not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, 
but exhorting one another, 
and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.
Hebrews 10:23-25

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