Friday, February 20, 2026

A Gospel Conversation

Good News for Sir Ahmed: A Gospel Conversation (Part 1)


by Clarence Ussher, M.D.


When Abdul Hamid was deposed, Sir Ahmed, being in the inner councils of the "Young Turk" party, was appointed Vali [governor] of the Province of Van [in Turkey]. At this time the success of our [missionary] schools and hospital [photo above] was attracting attention. Our treaties with Turkey gave us the right to own property and to prosecute our legitimate business and to have our premises and persons inviolate by Ottoman officials.


But Sir Ahmed was so tyrannical that, harking back to Mohammedan [Muslim] law which says that a foreigner may live in the country and do business unmolested for a year and must then either become a Mohammedan, quit the country or become a slave and pay tribute, he dared to announce that he would have the American doctor deported [Dr. Ussher] and the hospital and schools closed.


Before deporting us he, as a conscientious Mohammedan, would give us a chance to accept his faith. It was Ramadan, when Mohammedans fast absolutely from sunrise to sunset throughout a lunar month. On the fifteenth day of this fast many Mohammedans invite "Infidels" to an evening feast for the purpose of converting them to Islam. To such a banquet the Valis invited the male Missionaries of Van, Protestant and Catholic...


The dinner's first question: What is the true way of salvation?


Sir Ahmed sat at the head of a long table. Doctor Raynolds was at his right, and next to him a Chaldean Catholic Bishop. The writer was at the Vali's left, and around the table were Catholic priests and Turkish officers. After we had feasted on a delicious thirteen-course dinner, a sweet and a meat served alternately, each dish a separate course, the Vali opened the religious conversation by addressing the black and crimson-robed Bishop:


"My Lord Bishop, will you kindly tell me what you think I must do to enter Paradise?"

"Your Excellency," replied the Bishop, "if you will permit me, I believe that God, for Jesus Christ's sake, pardons my sins and will receive me into Paradise."


"No, Sir," said Ahmed; "I cannot accept that, for I believe God to be absolutely just and righteous, and one who is absolutely just cannot show favoritism. I am Vali here and my power is practically absolute. You might have a friend in prison for debt to the Government (Turkish law imprisons a debtor until his debt is paid); you might come to me and say, 'My friend is in prison for debt which he can never pay; I beg you for my sake to pardon and release him.' I might not want to hurt your feelings or deny you anything as my friend, so I might pardon him; but if I did so I should be wronging the whole people. If God can do that kind of thing He is no more righteous than I am; I cannot believe that of him."


I thought Sir Ahmed's answer a good one and was interested to see how the Bishop would reply. But he said not a word more, and I began to realize that this was one of the most critical moments of my life. Here was Christianity on trial before Islam; the Vali had asked a perfectly fair question, the most important question any man could ask— "What must I do to be saved?"—and it was up to Christianity to give him a satisfactory reply.


I had got so far in my thought when Sir Ahmed, speaking loudly, as if to the far end of the table, but with his eyes turned slightly towards me, said, "Dr. Ussher, what do you say?" I did not know what to say, but I remembered the promise of Christ Himself, "Before governors and kings shall ye be brought for My sake but when they deliver you up be not anxious how or what ye shall speak; for it shall be given you in that hour what ye shall speak" [Matthew 10:18], and I prayed with all my heart, "O God; give me an answer." Without a moment's hesitation I replied, and the answer came so distinctly as an answer to the prayer and was so far beyond what I alone was capable of saying that I feel it a duty to put it on record.


"Your Excellency, if you will permit me, I will use your own illustration: I will make a little change in it, I will call you the King; you have a son who is a friend of mine and loves me; I am in prison for a debt to the Government on which I cannot pay one in a thousand. Your son comes to you and says, 'Father, my friend is in prison for debt, can you not pardon and release him?' You reply, 'My son, I too love him and do not want him to be in prison, but I cannot pardon him, for if I did I should be wronging the whole people. I must treat all alike.' 'Well, father, will you let me pay his debt and him go free?' 'Yes, my son, and he shall go free. I will let you pay the debt, if he will accept it.'


"The son goes at once to the proper office, pays the debt, and it is marked on the books that my debt is paid. He receives a receipt upon which is the Government seal stating that my debt is paid, and now I am free. Then he comes to the prison with the receipt and says, 'You are free. Your debt is paid. I have paid it.'



"I may take one of three courses.


  1. I may draw myself up haughtily and say, 'No, I will not accept it, I will not be under obligation to anyone!' forgetting, that being in debt I am already under obligation and this would be but a shifting of the obligation. Should I do this I would unnecessarily wound one who for love of me has already made a great sacrifice which cannot be taken back. It is on record that my debt is, not that it will be, paid; to refuse would be unworthy of me.
  2. But I might sit moping, with my head in my hands, and say, 'I wish it were so! But I cannot believe it.' 'But I tell you it is so; see, here is the receipt. Get out of the prison and test it.' He might say, 'No, I dare not, the police might find me and take me back to greater shame. Should he force me from the prison, how would I behave? Not believing in my heart that I was free, I would look sharply this way and that in the street, lest a policeman might see me; should I escape to my house I would not dare to go near the door nor the window lest someone see my shadow and betray me to the police, and imprisonment in my house would be worse than imprisonment in the prison. Without faith in the heart there is no liberty.' This, too, would be ungrateful.
  3. "The third thing I might do and ought to do, when he tells me he has paid my debt and I am free, is to fall at his feet and say, 'I thank you, I have nothing to give in return'— since my ulnas to his lakhs would be an insult— 'but I shall endeavor by my life to show my thanks.'


"Then I would go out of prison, as they did on Liberty Day when Abdul Hamid was deposed and all the prisons were thrown open; every man was free; men who were sentenced to be hanged, those who were imprisoned for life, or were confined, hopeless, for debts, rushed into the street shouting 'Azad! Azad!' It would be joy to me to tell everyone that I was free and who set me free.


"But this is not all— instead of letting me return to my hovel where there is nothing but poverty he takes me to his beautiful home. There he gives me the Haman [Turkish bath], the most thorough cleansing known. My prison clothes with all their filth are thrown into the fire and that is the end of my past life. Then he brings me his own beautiful garments of colored broadcloth and silk, and, clothed as a prince he brings me to you, O King, and says, `Father, this is my brother!' And you say, 'Come, my son, from this day you are my son. You shall take my name upon you. I will entrust it to you and you will honor it. In my name you shall go in and out; all that I have is yours.'


"This," I said, "is as I understand Christianity. God is the King. Jesus Christ, His Son, paid my debt. I believe it and know I am free.


"Now," I said, "what will be my attitude toward the Prince? I see him coming down one of the narrow streets on horseback; someone has dumped a load of firewood in the street, filling it up; he cannot pass, what shall I do? Wait until he comes and say, 'What will you give me to remove this obstruction from your way?' Or will I not, as soon as I see him coming, set to work with all my might to remove the obstruction, and then, when he passes, step aside and salute him with joy, glad that I have been able to do something to show my gratitude for what he has done for me."


"So!" said the Vali, knitting his brow: "and do you mean to tell me that the hospital and schools you have here are to show your gratitude to God for something He has already done for you, and not for the purpose of winning some new favor from God?"


"Yes, Sir, exactly."


"Well, I had not thought of it so before...


["But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life" Titus 3:4-7.]


This is good news for everyone!


______________


Part 1 of 2


An excerpt from An American Physician in Turkey, by Clarence D. Ussher M.D, with Grace H. Knapp, (New York: Houghton Mifflin Co, 1917) pp.169-221. Clarence Douglas Ussher (1870-1955) was a missionary doctor in Turkey. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Ussher


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A common problem with the modern "church" in the USA

Ezekiel 33:30-33

(30) "As for you, son of man, the children of your people are talking about you beside the walls and in the doors of the houses; and they speak to one another, everyone saying to his brother, "Please come and hear what the word is that comes from the LORD." 

(31) So they come to you as people do, they sit before you as My people, and they hear your words, but they do not do them; for with their mouth they show much love, but their hearts pursue their own gain. 

(32) Indeed you are to them as a very lovely song of one who has a pleasant voice and can play well on an instrument; for they hear your words, but they do not do them. 

(33) And when this comes to pass"surely it will come"then they will know that a prophet has been among them."

What Ezekiel describes happens frequently. 

People love to hear a good sermon and to be entertained. 

They enjoy the oratory or perhaps the speaker himself 

and his style of speaking. 

Some preachers use a good deal of humor 

and have the audience laughing throughout their sermons, 

as if they are stand-up comedians. One could have a great time at church.

The prophet describes it like going to a concert. 

Everyone enjoys good music, but after the music stops 

and the audience leaves the concert hall, 

what lasting effect does it have? 

God says that is how His people treat Him. 

They have a desire to hear what God has to say, 

but they want to be entertained more than instructed.


--
Saved by Grace,





Friday, February 6, 2026

The evidence for annihilation is much stronger than for eternal torment.

Quoted from:

The evidence for annihilation is much stronger than for eternal torment.

One of the traditional doctrines of the church is that the lost (the people who are not saved) will suffer everlasting torment in the lake of fire. This article shows that this is not what the Bible teaches. Rather, the lost will be annihilated, which means that they will be put out of existence.

This issue is critical for our understanding of God. The Bible teaches that He loved the world so much that He gave His only Son to save it and that God is love (John 3:161 John 4:7). But the doctrine of eternal torment presents Him as the cruelest being in the universe. This doctrine has also caused the church to become arguably the cruelest institution in the world. Over the centuries, for example, the church has killed many people by burning them to death.

But that doctrine is completely contrary to the spirit of Jesus' teachings. This article shows that the Bible consistently teaches that sinners will die and that only the redeemed will inherit eternal life. The Bible teaches that God will restore joy and peace throughout the universe!

This article is a summary of the four articles in this series:

The case for Annihilation

This section is a summary of the article, Annihilationism.

After God created man (Gen 2:7), God told Adam that he would die if he eats from the tree of knowledge of good and evil (Gen 2:17). Man, therefore, after he was created, was not an immortal being.

After man sinned, God drove him out of the garden to prevent him from eating from the tree of life "and live forever" (Gen 3:22). In the context of the creation account, this was a death sentence. Unless something changed, man's death would be his final end. But something did change:

"God so loved the world,
that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in Him shall not perish,
but have eternal life
" (John 3:16).

One profound principle from this verse is that God loves this world so much that He gave "His only begotten Son." Below, we elaborate on the following two other profound principles from this verse:

      • Those who do not believe in Jesus Christ will "perish."
      • Whoever believes in Him shall have "eternal life."

Non-believers will perish.

The Cambridge dictionary explains perish as "to die, especially in an accident or by being killed, or to be destroyed." The Greek word translated "perish" in John 3:16 is apollumi. Strong's concordance explains this as "to destroy, destroy utterly." Consistent with these definitions, the New Testament frequently describes the fate of non-believers as dying or destruction. For example:

"The gate is wide and the way is broad
that leads to destruction …
the gate is small and the way is narrow
that leads to life
"

(Matt 7:13-14).

"The wages of sin is death" (Rom 6:23).

"Those who do not know God …
will pay the penalty of eternal destruction
"

(2 Thess 1:8-9)

"The day of judgment and destruction
of ungodly men
" (2 Peter 3:7);

"When sin is accomplished,
it brings forth death
" (James 1:15).

There are so many texts in the New Testament that describe the end of the lost as death or destruction that I found it difficult to limit myself to the five above; one from Jesus, two from Paul, and one each from Peter and James. For other such statements, see Matt 3:1210:2813:40-42Rom 1:29-326:16218:13Phil 1:283:18–191 Cor 3:171 Thess 5:2-32 Peter 2:136; and James 4:125:19.

The opposite of eternal life is death.

In many of the examples above, the fate of the lost is described as "death." That is not the first and temporary death that faces all people. Rather, it is that awful and irreversible death that only sinners will suffer, which Revelation refers to as "the second death" (Rev 20:14; cf. 20:621:8). The contrast between "death" and "eternal life" in these verses indicates that this is the meaning of "death:"

"He who … believes Him who sent Me,
has eternal life, and …
has passed out of death into life
" (John 5:24).

"The wages of sin is death,
but the free gift of God is eternal life
" (Rom 6:23).

"Our Saviour Christ Jesus abolished death
and brought life and immortality to light
" (2 Tim 1:10).

For other such statements, see Romans 6:1621-228:135:21 or Galatians 6:8).

The contrast in these passages between "death" and "eternal life" is quite incompatible with the contrast between eternal life in happiness and eternal life in torment that the traditional doctrine presents.

Traditionalist Response

This article refers to people who teach everlasting torment as traditionalists.

The traditionalist response to such verses is that "destroy" should not be taken literally. However, everywhere else the verb apollumi (destroy) is used in the synoptic Gospels, it always refers to someone literally killing another (e.g., Matt 2:13Mark 9:22). And, as another example, Peter used the same word to describe the destruction of people during the flood and the destruction of the lost in the end (2 Peter 3:6-7). Literal destruction, therefore, is indicated.

Conclusion

The Bible is literally packed with affirmations that the lost will be destroyed. However, Bible readers have become so accustomed to these statements that we simply don't notice them anymore. We should allow these texts to say what they say, and not subconsciously edit them out.

Whoever believes in Him shall have eternal life.

We have now confirmed the principle from John 3:16 that non-believers will "perish." We now come to another profound principle from that verse, namely that ONLY believers will inherit eternal life.

Scripture sees immortality as something that belongs to God alone (1 Tim 6:16); NOT something that people already have. Immortality is a gift that God will give only to those who believe in Jesus. For example:

"You (the Father) gave Him (the Son) authority over all flesh,
that to all whom You have given Him,
He may give eternal life" (John 17:2).

"We believe in Him FOR eternal life" (1 Tim 1:16).

"Christ Jesus … has destroyed death and has
brought life and immortality to light
" (2 Tim 1:9-10)

For other such statements, see also John 10:28Rom 2:5-86:231 Cor 15:42505354Gal 6:81 John 5:11Titus 1:23:7 and 1 Tim 6:12. Only God's people will receive eternal life. The tragic consequence is that a person who rejects Christ will not receive immortality, but die the second death which God warned Adam about.  

Traditionalist Response

Traditionalists may agree that people do not have inherent (essential) immortality independent of God. However, based on texts that seem to teach everlasting torment, traditionalists argue that God will keep sinners in existence endlessly to punish them, as per the Belgic Confession:

"The evil ones … shall be made immortal – but only to be tormented in the everlasting fire" (Belgic Confession; article 37).

But this is the opposite of what the Bible teaches, for the Bible makes it clear that sinners will be put out of existence and that only the saved will receive immortality. Therefore, the traditional interpretations of verses that seem to teach everlasting torment must be wrong, as discussed below.

The Biblical vision of eternity

Above, two broad biblical themes that support annihilationism have been presented, namely:

    • The lost will be destroyed, and
    • Immortality is available but ONLY through Christ.

The current section presents a third theme in support of annihilationism, namely that a time will come when evil will NOT exist anywhere in the universe:

"The fullness of the times, that is,
the summing up of all things in Christ,
things in the heavens and things on the earth
" (Eph 1:10)

"Then comes the end,
when He hands over the kingdom to the God …
so that God may be all in all
" (1 Cor 15:2428).

In Revelation 21, God promises:

In "a new heaven and a new earth" (Rev 21:1),
He will "will wipe away every tear."
"There will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain;
the first things have passed away
." (Rev 20:4)

When God is "all in all," His enemies will no longer exist.

Conclusions

Perversely, instead of a glorious universal kingdom unblemished by any stain, defenders of the doctrine of everlasting torment teach that creation will forever be divided into an ugly dualism of happiness and "weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matt 8:12) as multitudes suffer endlessly. 

It's not clear how heaven could ever truly be happy if it co-exists alongside an eternal hell. How could we enjoy our new existence when we know that fellow human beings — and perhaps even our loved ones — are being tormented with no hope that the pain will ever stop? 

The central revelation of God in the New Testament is that God is love (1 John 4:816). How could a loving God keep the damned in existence for the sole purpose of torturing them?

The third angel warns of permanent destruction.

This section is a summary of the article: The warning of the third angel.

Above, we presented the case for annihilationism. The remainder of the article discusses the evidence for everlasting torment.

The warning of the third angel in Revelation 14:9-11 is one of the Bible passages that are most frequently used to justify the teaching of everlasting torment.

At the time when the image of the beast kills people who refuse to accept the mark of the beast (Rev 13:15-16), God, through His people on earth, sends three powerful messages to the people of the world, symbolized as three angels (Rev 14:689). The third angel (Rev 14:9) warns that any person who accepts the mark of the beast:

"Will drink of the wine of the wrath of God,
… and he will be TORMENTED with fire and brimstone
in the presence of … the Lamb.
And the smoke of their torment
goes up FOREVER AND EVER;
they have no rest day and night
"

(Rev 14:10-11)

The only thing that is described as eternal in these verses is the rising smoke. Traditionalists argue that, if "the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever," then the lost must burn forever. We object as follows to this interpretation:

Revelation is a symbolic book.

First, the book of Revelation is replete with symbolism. For example, in the third angel's message, God's wrath is symbolized as wine that people will have to drink, and Jesus is symbolized as a Lamb. We should, therefore, expect that other aspects of the third angel's warning are also symbolic.  

Tormented in the presence of the Lamb

Second, the worshipers of the beast "will be tormented … in the presence of … the Lamb" (Rev 14:10). Literally interpreted, this means that the Lamb and His angels will remain in hell forever, which is ridiculous. The fact that the lost "will be tormented … in the presence of … the Lamb," implies that they will not be tormented forever.

Language of the judgment on Edom

Third, the warning of the third angel contains one of the strongest allusions in Revelation to the Old Testament, namely to the prophecy against Edom (Isaiah 34:9-10). Both the third angel and the prophecy against Edom predict:

      • Punishment
      • With fire and brimstone,
      • Causing smoke to rise forever.

But the prophecy against Edom interprets its own symbols as extinction, namely that Edom "will be desolate; None will pass through it forever and ever."

Babylon's smoke goes up forever.

Fourth, as stated, the only thing that is eternal in the third angel's message is the rising smoke, but the smoke of the harlot Babylon also "goes up for ever and ever" (Rev 19:3). Babylon symbolizes false religion that has ruled over the kings of the world of all ages (Rev 17:318). (See the article series on Babylon.) Although "the smoke from her goes up for ever and ever," she will NOT be tormented forever because:

    • False religion is not a personal being that can be tormented.
    • Revelation states explicitly that Babylon will be completely and utterly destroyed (Rev 18:2117:16).

The Immediate Context

Fifth, the third angel's warning of "the wrath of God" (Rev 14:10) is followed in chapter 14 by the outpouring of God's wrath at Christ's return (Rev 14:14). At that time, "the great wine press of the wrath of God" (Rev 14:19) "was trodden … and blood flowed from the wine press, as high as a horse's bridle" (Rev 14:20). Since a warning of wrath is closely followed by a description of the execution of wrath at Christ's return, the context requires that the warning refers to Christ's return.

The Seven Last Plagues

Sixth, the seven last plagues are "the last, because in them the wrath of God is finished" (Rev 15:1). This implies that the wrath of God, about which the third angel warned (Rev 14:10), will be "finished" when the seven last plagues are finished. Since the seven last plagues conclude with Christ's return (see the explanation in the detailed article), when He will put the lost to death (Rev 19:21), the wrath of God, which the third angel warns about, will be concluded with Christ's return. It will not continue forever.

Conclusion

Read superficially, the third angel's message does seem to talk about everlasting torment, but the following indicates that, actually, it teaches annihilation:

    • They are tormented in the presence of the Lamb.
    • This warning uses language from the destruction of Edom.
    • The smoke of false religion also goes up forever.
    • God's wrath is finished with Christ's return.

The Lake of Fire (Rev 20:10)

This is a summary of the article: The lake of fire.

The description of the lake of fire in Revelation 20:10 is also one of the main arguments for everlasting torment:

"And the devil who deceived them
was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone,
where the beast and the false prophet are also;
and they will be TORMENTED day and night
FOREVER AND EVER" (Rev 20:10, NASB).

This verse has all the necessary elements for the traditional doctrine of everlasting torment – the lake of fire, conscious suffering, and eternal duration. And, only a few verses later, the lost are also thrown into the lake of fire:

"If anyone's name was not found
written in the book of life,
he was thrown into the lake of fire
" (Rev 20:15).

However, once one understands the meaning of the symbols, Revelation 20:10 is a symbolic description of annihilation:

Revelation is a book of symbols.

First, as already stated above, Revelation is replete with symbols. Examples from Revelation 20:10 are that the beast, which is tormented in the lake of fire, has seven heads and ten horns and comes up out of the sea (Rev 13:1). And the false prophet, which is tormented with it, is also a beast but it comes "up out of the earth" and has "two horns like a lamb" (Rev 13:11). (See the explanations of the beast and the false prophet below.) Given the symbolic nature of Revelation, any literal interpretation is probably wrong.

Death itself is annihilated in the Lake of Fire.

Second, at the end of Revelation 20, after the final judgment (Rev 20:11-12), death itself is also "thrown into the lake of fire" (Rev 20:14). Revelation 21:4 explains this as that "there will no longer be any death." If throwing death into the lake of fire symbolizes the annihilation of death, then all things thrown into the lake of fire are annihilated.

The Lake of Fire is the Second Death.

Third, the lake of fire is twice explicitly explained as "the second death:"

"Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire.
This is the second death, the lake of fire
" (Rev 20:14).

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable …
their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death
" (Rev 21:8).

Referring to this death as the second death means that it is different from the first death. Some people have died twice (e.g., Lazarus in John 11:44 and the little girl in Mark 5:41) but they did not die the second death.

All dead people will be resurrected from the first death (Rev 20:5John 5:28-29). It is only after the final great judgment (Rev 20:1112) that the lost are "thrown into the lake of fire" (Rev 20:15), which is the second death. This is the final and irreversible death.

The Beast is not a personal being.

Fourth, the beast is not a person. It comes up out of the sea and has seven heads and ten horns (Rev 13:1). Both its seven heads and ten horns are explained as "kings" (Rev 17:1012). Revelation 13:2 says that the beast receives something from a lion, a bear, a leopard, and a dragon. These are the four beasts of Daniel 7. Revelation 13:2, therefore, identifies the beast as a continuation of the beasts of Daniel. And Daniel's beasts are also explained as kingdoms that exist on earth (Dan 7:1723). Interpreters right across the theological spectrum agree that the beast of Revelation is not a personal being that can be tormented, but a kingdom, a "system:"

    • Reformed preterist Kenneth Gentry sees the beast as representing Rome, with Nero Caesar in particular as its representative.
    • Dispensationalist/futurist John Walvoord sees it as the revived Roman Empire in the last days.
    • Idealist Sam Hamstra sees the beast as representing "the spirit and empires of the world.
    • The current website interprets the beast as the eleventh horn of Daniel 7, which is the Antichrist in the Book of Daniel, and which is the church of the middle ages.

For a discussion of the identity of the beasts, heads, and horns, see:

The False Prophet is also not a person.

Fifth. the false prophet is also a beast, namely the "beast coming up out of the earth" (Rev 13:11). To see that they are the same, compare Revelation 13:12 and 19:20. The false prophet, therefore, is also not a personal entity.

"Since the beast and the false prophet are figures for systems rather than individual persons, the permanent destruction of evil is evidently meant" (F.F. Bruce, "Revelation," in The New Layman's Bible Commentary, 1708.). Neither of them will exist forever, nor could they suffer conscious, sensible pain.

The Beast will be destroyed.

This is explicitly stated in Revelation:

"The beast that you saw …
go to destruction" (Rev 17:8).

"The beast … goes to destruction" (Rev 17:11).

We also see this in Daniel 7. As stated, the beast in Revelation is a continuation of the beasts in Daniel 7 (cf. Rev 13:2). The most important character in Daniel 7 is the eleventh horn that grows out of the fourth beast: Most of the chapter is dedicated to this evil power (cf. Dan 7:25). However, a time will come when it will be "annihilated and destroyed forever" (Dan 7:26). Since this horn is the successor of the fourth beast, when it is "annihilated and destroyed forever," the same applies to the fourth beast itself.

To make the link to Revelation's beast even stronger, another article shows that the evil eleventh horn is the beast of Revelation. In other words, since the horn will be "annihilated and destroyed forever," the beast of Revelation will be annihilated.

We also see in Daniel 2 that the beast will be annihilated. That chapter describes the same four kingdoms as in Daniel 7 and confirms that, once Christ has returned, "not a trace of them was found" (Dan 2:35). God's kingdom "will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms" (Dan 2:44).

Conclusions

Again we discover that, what superficially seems to be evidence for everlasting torment, actually is evidence for annihilation, for death itself and the systems symbolized by the beast and the false prophet are annihilated in the lake of fire. Describing this lake as the second death also implies annihilation.

The devil is cast into the lake of fire with the beast and the false prophet (Rev 20:10). He is a personal being and could suffer everlasting torment. But if impersonal or corporate entities, such as death, the beast, and the false prophet, can be thrown into the lake of fire to be annihilated, then, when Satan is thrown into that lake, he is also annihilated.

But why does the apocalypse use such awful symbols? I propose that Revelation states that the lost will be "tormented day and night forever and ever" because the utter annihilation of people, who have been created in God's image, is a truly horrifying concept; both for God and His people. Just think of the people around you. Every one of them is a miracle created by God. To lose even one person is an eternal tragedy. For that reason, God paints a truly frightening picture of the end of the people who accept the mark of the beast.

Other evidence for Everlasting Torment

This section is a summary of the article, Eternal Torment. It shows that the other arguments for everlasting torment are equally weak.

The Rich Man and Lazarus

Jesus told the story of a rich man who lived in splendor and a beggar named Lazarus who lay at his gate, covered with sores (Luke 16:19-20). Both men died. The rich man was "in agony in this flame" (Luke 16:22-23). This parable is often but mistakenly used to support the doctrine of eternal torment;

Firstly, this is a parable and the purpose of a parable is to convey a single message. In this parable, the message is, "If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead" (Luke 16:31). The details of the parables are not to be taken literally.

Secondly, it is important to note that the rich man is "in hades" (Luke 16:23). Hades is the temporary holding place where the dead are kept until the final destruction (cf. Rev 20:14). In other words, this parable says nothing about hell; the place of the ultimate destruction of the lost (Matt 10:28).

Eternal Punishment

This is possibly the most powerful argument for everlasting torment, namely that the Bible describes the state of the lost with phrases such as "eternal punishment" and "the eternal fire." For example, Jesus said:

"Then He will also say to those on His left,
'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire …
These will go away into eternal punishment,
but the righteous into eternal life
" (Matt 25:4146).

However, for the following reasons, this also does not prove eternal torment:

Eternal Fire
Jude uses "Sodom and Gomorrah" as "an example" of "the punishment of eternal fire" (Jude 1:7). In other words, Sodom and Gomorrah serve as "an example" of the "eternal fire" about which Christ warned. But the fire that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah has gone out long ago.

Eternal Punishment
Paul wrote that "those who do not know God … will pay the penalty of eternal destruction" (2 Thess 1:8-9). This explains what type of "eternal punishment" Jesus warned about, namely destruction.

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

These verses are often used in debates around eternal torment. Therefore, let us consider them more closely:

"When the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven …
8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God …
9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction,
away from the presence of the Lord"

Traditionalists argue that, since destruction cannot be an "eternal" process, the destruction here cannot be literal. However, this is a weak argument because "eternal" describes the consequence of the literal action of destruction.

Traditionalists also attempt to show that the destruction is not literal by using the NIV which translates this verse as "eternal destruction, and shut out from the presence of the Lord," as if the "and shut out from the presence of the Lord" is a second thing which these people must suffer, which would require their continued existence.

But this is simply a wrong translation, reflecting the theology of the translators. There are no words in the Greek of this verse that can be translated as "and shut out." Young's Literal Translation, for example, simply reads, "destruction age-during — from the face of the Lord" (Biblehub). In other words, these people will be removed from the presence of the Lord BY being destroyed with everlasting destruction.

Daniel 12:2

Daniel 12:2 also has a phrase that contains the word "eternal" and that is used to justify eternal torment:

"Many of those who sleep
in the dust of the ground will awake,
these to everlasting life,
but the others to disgrace
and everlasting contempt
" (NASB).

Traditionalists argue that, for the lost to experience "disgrace and everlasting contempt," requires that they will always exist and be aware of their condition. However, Isaiah 66 shows that it is those who will receive "everlasting life" who will think of the lost with contempt. In Isaiah 66:

    • "Those slain by the LORD shall be many" (Isa 66:16).
    • Then, the saved "will … look on the corpses of the men … and they will be an abhorrence (same word as "contempt" in Daniel 2:2to all" (Isa 66:24).

Their worm does not die,
and the fire is not quenched.

Jesus also said:

"It is better for you to enter life crippled,
than … to go … into the unquenchable fire,
[where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE,
AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED]
"

(Mark 9:43-44; cf. Matt 18:8-9).

This also does not prove eternal torment:

Firstly, in this warning, Jesus contrasted "life" with "the unquenchable fire," which implies that "the unquenchable fire" is death.

Secondly, and much more importantly, Jesus here quoted the key phrase, "THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED" directly from Isaiah 66:24, which refers to corpses, and not to conscious eternal torment:

"Then they will … look on the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm will not die
And their fire will not be quenched."

When people attempt to destroy corpses by fire, a portion of the body might remain due to a lack of fuel. And due to dry conditions, corpses sometimes dried up and the worms died before the corpse was fully consumed. That "their worm will not die and their fire will not be quenched" (Isa 66:24) means that these bodies will be completely consumed. There is no suggestion in Isaiah 66 of eternal torment. Rather, it supports annihilation. Since Jesus quoted from these verses, that is how we should understand His words.

The Unquenchable Fire

In Mark 9, as quoted above, Jesus also referred to "the unquenchable fire" (Mark 9:43). An "unquenchable fire" is not one that will never go out. For example, in Ezekiel 20:47-48, "the blazing flame will not be quenched" but will "consume every green tree in you." In other words, an unquenchable fire is one that is not quenched until it has fully consumed the object being burnt. In other words, "the unquenchable fire" also implies annihilation.

Summary

I would like to classify the arguments in this article as follows:

Evidence Supporting Annihilation

      • Man, after he was created, was not an immortal being.
      • After man sinned, God denied him access to the tree of life.
      • The NT frequently states that the lost will be destroyed.
      • Only believers will inherit eternal life.
      • In eternity, God will be all in all.
      • The third angel (Rev 14:9-11) teaches annihilation.
      • The lake of fire (Rev 20:10) also symbolizes extinction.

Once one understands the meanings of the symbols, the passages from Revelation support annihilation rather than eternal torment.

Neutral Evidence

The parable of the rich man and Lazarus speaks about hades, and not about Gehenna; the place where souls are destroyed (Matt 10:28).

The eternal fire, eternal punishment, everlasting contempt, "their worm does not die, the fire is not quenched," and the unquenchable fire does seem to support eternal torment when read superficially, but when one considers the Old Testament background and explanations of these passages in the New Testament, these statements can also be interpreted as evidence for annihilation. For this reason, I regard these statements as neutral in this debate.

This means that I find no evidence in the Bible for everlasting torment.

Origin and Consequences

The idea of eternal torment results from the concept that man has an immortal soul.

At the time when non-Jews were first allowed to become Christians without first becoming Jewish proselytes (See Early Church History), it was generally accepted in the Hellenistic (Greek) philosophical tradition that people have immortal souls. Although this view is foreign to Judaism, with the influx of Gentiles, this was one of the Hellenistic ideas that crept into the church and became one of the traditional teachings of the church

Since it was thought that people have immortal souls, the church had to develop an understanding of what will happen to the immortal souls of the lost in eternity. To solve this question, the isolated texts that seem to support eternal torment provided a solution. Thus, the dominant view of hell (Gehenna), throughout Church history, is that the lost will suffer unending torment.

But behind this, we must see Satan's hand. Continuing his first lie to the human race; "You surely will not die!" (Gen 3:4), Satan managed to convince the church that God will keep people alive for all eternity with the sole purpose of tormenting them. This presents God as the cruelest being that we are able to conceive; retaliating on his foes with an unmitigated, insatiable vengeance.

Added to that, some propose that God decides who will suffer eternal torture in hell, irrespective of what kind of people they are, and they call it the doctrine of God's grace! How the church has become corrupted!

"Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great,
she who has made all the nations drink
of the wine of the passion of her immorality" (Rev 14:8).
See, Babylon the great.)

But this deception is not without its consequences:

Firstly, how does one put your faith (trust) in such a god? Many people have become rebels due to the teaching of eternal torment.

Secondly, since man becomes like the god he worships, this teaching has helped Satan to convert the bride of Christ into the antichrist. Over the centuries, the church has killed millions of God's true people, namely those people who resist the church's blasphemous teachings.